Episode #7

Episode #7: Bruce Lipton Psychedelic Leadership Podcast.

Duration: 01:57:33

Laura Dawn: Dr. Bruce Lipton, gosh, I have to say, this is such an honor to be having a conversation with you. I’ve been holding this vision for a number of years now. So this is just a testament to my own belief that prayers are powerful. So thank you for taking the time for this today and allowing this miracle to unfold in my own life.

Bruce Lipton: Laura. I am so honored to be your guest because you have an audience out there that involves cultural creatives, people thinking in a different way. And this is the only way to deal with the issues of today because it’s consciousness, that’s creating this reality. Uh, and unfortunately most of us have been programmed to be disempowered and then try to strive in a world where you already are given: “you’re not powerful.” And then it’s like, Oh my God. Behind the eight ball hasn’t even started yet. 

Laura Dawn: Okay. So I’d love to just dive right in and just to set the context for this first question, there’s a very commonly held belief in the psychedelic community, especially amongst professional practitioners that these substances help us access our subconscious minds.

Which is why psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy is becoming much more prominent in our healthcare system. And I personally hold this viewpoint that psychedelics and plant medicines can be one modality. I know you talk a lot about different modalities and we could touch on that at some point, but I think a lot of people are seeking psychedelic therapy because of a desire to heal a past trauma, or they feel stuck, or because they want to change some aspects of themselves, behavioral or otherwise.

And I think you have an interesting piece that could be valuable to a lot of people who are actively going deep and seeking out altered states of consciousness for a variety of reasons. But one large reason is to make contact with the subconscious mind and uncover some of those root programs that are running the show.

So for listeners, just to be clear, Bruce is not advocating the use of psychedelics. We’re actually not going to be talking about psychedelics at all throughout this show, but it’s to explore how this body of knowledge can be beneficial for those of us who are choosing this path and modality of healing.

And Bruce, as I’ve journeyed throughout the years, and I’ve, as I’ve learned your piece around understanding the way subconscious imprinting happens. Um, it’s actually been a beneficial body of information to go into these altered states of consciousness with. So I feel like this is the most appropriate place to start at the beginning, which according to some might be the moment we’re born, but maybe we can even go further back and explore the role our ancestors even have in shaping who we are today.

And just start by talking about the imprinting that’s happening in the subconscious realms in those formative years. 

Bruce Lipton: Well, there are so many things to go here with. Number one, I really believe that the psychedelics played the most important part because they disconnect us from the subconscious to give us a perspective of where we are outside of ourselves, looking back.

So it’s almost like a third party view of yourself. And then all of a sudden the clarity and, uh, uh, I’ve been in a place a number of times where, uh, life has all of a sudden like, Ooh, and then I step outside and look at it and there’s a peace and calm. To see it from the outside rather than caught, caught up in all the chemistry emotions and all that stuff on the inside.

So psychedelics do offer this opportunity to say you are more. Then this physical realm right here, uh, and of course, historically it’s been used, uh, in cultures all over the planet as a coming of age that says, let, let me now have an opportunity to let you see who you really are. You are the energy, the field the spirit and all that.

The body is like a virtual reality suit that we come into and, uh, each person is different. And I say that from a biological point of view, very simply based on the factors, this, if I take my cells and put it into your body, your immune system will say “not self” and get rid of it. You take your cells, put it in anybody else’s body, their immune system not self, get rid of it.

So all of a sudden there’s a very important point. It says there’s an identity in your cells that if somebody else’s immune system can read and say, that’s not me, that’s somebody else. And I say, well, where are, what is this identity? Well, it turns out on the surface of our cells, our protein antennas, just like a television.

And there’s a group of them. No two people have the same set of these antennas. They’re called interestingly enough, even before they understood it, they gave it the name that is most appropriate. These antennas are called “self receptors”. Well, receptor means receiver. Okay. Uh, in the Newtonian world, they said, Oh no, the self is because of these different proteins.

And I go, no, you see, in the world of quantum physics, it’s the signal received by these receptors. That is the source. And I go, well, why is it relevant? And the answer is this: our identity, no two people have the same set of receptors. So. Every person is receiving a different broadcast, so to speak.

It’s sort of like a, you have a radio, uh, and there’s a lot of stations on it and that’s like, let’s say the FM band or the AM band. Well, let’s say we’re on the human band and that as you move the dial and go down the band, there’s the station and station and the station as you go down. Each of us has a station on the giant human band.

Each of us is receiving our own broadcast. That makes us unique yet all of us came from the same band, the same source. So there’s a level of total connection. And when we come in here as like a separation, I’m only looking at my station. And then you just see the Bruce show right here, going on like that.

Well, when I really understood the nature of this and the role of quantum physics, the first thing that hit me as a conventional scientist of the day, which was emphasizing DNA and proteins and cells and all that I said, Oh my God, my identity is not even in here. 

My identity is a broadcast being received by myself and to show the non-locality of that there are experiments where they take cells out of a person, put them in a Petri dish, and move that Petri dish a hundred miles away. And they have electrical recording of the electrical activity, sort of like EEG on a cell level. Uh, and they create a split-screen television with a cell activity, a hundred miles away.

And the person being here who donated those cells and what they showed, which is so like mind boggling is when this person had an emotional response. At exactly the same time, a hundred miles away, the cells revealed a higher energy activity and something happening. So it was connected. I go, yeah, but they’re a hundred miles apart and I go, yeah, because the local, the person identity isn’t in here. It’s received by here, just like a television set and the cells being a hundred miles away. That’s like part of a television set this over there with the same antennas, same station. And they respond at the same time. 

Most important reality for me was, Oh my God, we’re not even in here, we are an energy that comes into this and I have to admit that, uh, the moment of being a non-spiritual person, then, uh, understanding the mechanism with the antennas and the proteins and all that stuff.

And I was like, Oh my God. Oh, I’m not in here immediately. So wait a minute. I’m a broadcast. I’m an energy. And I go, why was it relevant? Well, you can call it a field. That’s what we call it in physics: an energy field, but a specific energy field I’m associated with a person who can get the name, spirit, same word, energy field, spirit.

I go. So why was that relevant for me? It was the biggest wake up call in my life because the first thing as a biologist, I sat there and I said, I can’t die. I’m not even in here. Uh, and, uh, and the relevance is yeah, the, the suit we call a body of virtual reality. So it’s like a television set. And my broadcast, Bruce shows up playing through this television set.

And if you’re watching a TV and the TV breaks, we say the TV’s is dead. But then I go on and say, well, wait, isn’t the broadcast still there? And the answer, of course it is. And I go wait, then that means my body can come and go. But my broadcast is always here. And that if a body in the future has the same set of antennas that are on my cell, I’m back.

But in a different TV, uh, and the beautiful part about it is It doesn’t make a difference if you’re male or female. Nope. That’s a TV set. Doesn’t make a difference: white, brown, black, yellow, red. I go, no, that’s a TV set. So we really have to disconnect ourselves from the TV that we’re currently in versus the broadcast that we really are.

And this becomes important because of this system. Who are we and why are we here and all that? And for me, the most exciting thing was, cause I asked myself being a scientist at the moment of like, Oh my God, I’m a spirit. And I’m a body. And my science brain goes, well, then why should I be a body? Why not just be the spirit?

And that’s when I found out it had a funny, uh, you humorous Jewish cells. Because when I asked the question: “Why have a body and a spirit?” My cells welled up with an answer that came right up from the 50 trillion cells into my head. Uh, and I asked them, why have both? And they asked me, Bruce, if you’re just a spirit, what does chocolate taste like?

And all of a sudden I said, Oh, my God, this is a wonderful mechanism. It translates the environment, energies into visual energy, sound energy, smell energy, taste energy, feeling energy inside, whether it’s love or fear or all that. Uh, this is a virtual reality suit. And, and so at some point, I, I said, wait a minute.

I’m a spirit; spirits here all the time. But when my, when I have a suit, that’s tuned to my spirit, I can play. And I say, not only do I have that chance to say, what is chocolate tastes like and have a chemical understanding of it, but I can also direct a suit to go here or to go there or to do this and create an all of a sudden, I said, Oh my God, we came here to create.

And I go, what did we come to create? And I said, well, we all with our wishes and desires came here to create what happened. And I go, that was the coolest part because I said, wait a minute, you don’t die and go to heaven. You’re born into heaven. This is an extension of our spirit by having this it’s greater than just a spirit.

And we came here to create and to experience and to feel. And all of a sudden, my whole life changed. And  I said, Oh my God, people think you die. And then you go to heaven and I go, Oh my God, it’s just the opposite. You were born here. And we came here to create, and Laura, you know, this really fits into your program of, well, what the heck are we creating?

And if it’s heaven, how come it looks like this out the window, because it’s sure as heck doesn’t look like heaven. Well, there’s a whole connection of what happens between the spirit and the manifestation. 

Laura Dawn: Right. Right. Well, maybe I could just pause you for a second because I’m curious your perspective on this because yeah, I love the perceptual shift that we are born into heaven on earth, and yet, for so many people right now, a lot of people are struggling right now from past traumas, from finding it really hard to change deeply ingrained behavioral patterns. So maybe we could just start there for a second. You know, how does the subconscious programming happen as children and why is it so hard for us to overcome that programming?

Bruce Lipton: Okay. Number one, the brain is recognized by everybody, including biologists to be a supercomputer. It is a computer and it has all the characteristics of a computer. So let me just talk about a Silicon based computer, like the one we’re talking on right now, and I go, you could go to the store and you can buy a computer and you take it home.

And there’s a button, like a start button and it boots up. The screens on. I go, great. I say, now do something. Yep. I can’t do anything yet. Why not? Well, before you just bought this new computer, you can’t make a spreadsheet or a drawing or write an essay you need to first put in a program. And then that program is then what we can then use to interface the computer.

Okay. Well, this is exactly true for the brain of a child and the last trimester of pregnancy. It’s booted up now, what? It can’t do anything until what? It downloads programs! 

Where do the programs come from? And the answer is that, uh, an infant, just even before you’re born, uh, and through age seven, the brain of a child is not operating in what we call consciousness as a predominant state.

The predominant state of a child’s brain at that age is theta. And I thought that’s when you put wires on a person’s head and read their, their brain function, and it’s got vibrational levels and theta is a vibration lower than consciousness. 

The sequence is the lowest vibration is Delta sleeping and then theta, which is characterized as imagination followed by the next higher level alpha, which has calm consciousness, followed by the next higher level called beta, which is like schoolroom consciousness. When a child is born, it doesn’t have a whole range of activity. First of all, it doesn’t even have any programs.

So the first seven years, the brain’s predominant activity, is theta, characterized by imagination. Just to give a point, uh, um, there’s a tea party and the kids pour nothing into the cup and then drink the cup and exclaim how that was the most wonderful tea I ever had! 

That’s theta in operation. Okay. I go, okay.

So theta, childhood mixing real-world and imagination, but functionally, theta is hypnosis. And I go, why should I have hypnosis? I said, how do you think you’d get a downloaded program? It’s not you creating a program. It’s a program that is downloaded into you by what? Observing other people. That is the basis.

I mean, think about how many rules it takes to be a functional member of a family or functional member of a community. There are rules, we’ve got to have these rules, otherwise you don’t fit. And I said, well, how do you understand the rules? You’re an infant. You can’t even read a book. How are you going to know?

And I go, you don’t have to that’s nature’s design. Theta hypnosis. Watch your mother, watch your father, watch your siblings, watch your community, download their behavior as fundamental programs, so that we can learn to be a member of a family community with nothing more than just observing the world for seven years.

Well, this is really cool because then after age seven, now that those programs are in consciousness can kick in and then utilize those programs. Okay. So I go, well, this is really good, except for the fact is most of the programs that we download by observing others are disempowering self-sabotaging and limiting beliefs.

And I go, well, what’s the problem with that. And I go, because if you’re going to use those programs, you’ve already compromised yourself because you didn’t get the correct programs. Okay. Uh, I’ll just give one. For example, uh, most people grew up in a family of somebody who’s not well, we go to the doctor, I go, well, what does that mean?

I say, watch a kid learn from zero to about seven. Anytime anybody’s sick. They go to the doctor. I say, what is the learning of this program? And the answer is I’m not in charge of my health. When it comes to health, I have to buy. The truth from the professional, the doctor. So all of a sudden, I say, I give up my control of my health to whatever the doctor says, because the program said, that’s the one who knows and you don’t.

So then whatever the doctor’s words are, diagnosis prognosis. Uh, we own that as a program, as that’s the true picture, not your belief. But whatever the doctors said. So you gave up your power. Okay. Well, this happens at so many levels of all this and I go, well, this is a problem. Uh, the programs that we got up to the 70% are disempowering self-sabotaging and limiting beliefs, such as the doctor controls my life.

I go, so why is this relevant? I go, well, that’s the program. Should we start with, but then I said, once we get consciousness, We can interface those programs and put our wishes and desires, conscious mind wishes and desires. That’s what the conscious mind is: the creative aspect of what it means to be human. What do you want out of your life?

You know, I said, Laura, tell me what you want. The answer comes from the creative conscious mind. That’s what makes us different than lower animals. We can take an idea and then manifest it. 

Okay. I go, well, that’s really great. And then I can go, but here’s the problem. So this connects to everything you’ve been involved with and all the people out there, including myself, is that consciousness, when driving the vehicle, look at, consider your body vehicle steering wheel. 

When consciousness has got its hands on the wheel, consciousness being creative wishes, desires, aspirations, where do you think consciousness is going to drive you to the resolution of wishes and desires? I go, that’s great. But then I go, Oh, when I say what you mean, I go consciousness can think.

You go, what the hell does that mean? So I say, um, I’ll give, uh, Laura a Little question here. Uh, I say, Laura, what are you doing on Sunday afternoon? Now the idea is if Laura doesn’t have anything written down in front of her telling her what she’s doing on Sunday afternoon, I know she’s going to give me an answer.

I said, where’d you get your answer from? I thought about it. I was thinking where I get it. And I go, wait a minute. Conscious mind when driving the vehicles, looking out the window. Driving to let’s go to where we want to go. But if I ask you a question, and consciousness doesn’t have to seek the answer. The answer is not out.

The answer is in her head. I said, so why is irrelevant? She redirects attention. Now attention is looking inside. What am I doing on Sunday? Start to consider it an all of a sudden, boom, the answer shows up. Great. And I say, what was the point? And this is the crux of our story today, Laura. And that is simply this. 

Well, when Laura’s consciousness was looking out the window and driving the vehicle, she was driving toward her destination where she wanted to go. But the moment she started thinking she had to let go of the steering wheel because her attention was no longer looking out. It was now looking in; thinking is insight.

I go, you mean you let go of the steering wheel? I mean, it’s interesting because most of us have done this. If you’ve been driving a car for a while, uh, when you get in the car and you start driving, you have a passenger, uh, and you’d have a wonderful conversation. And then you look out the window and go, I haven’t looked at the road for the last five minutes out, but hey, we’re still driving no accident.

Okay. We’re good. I go. And now I’ll ask you a question and this is pertinent, but if you get the answer and the question is this: “what were you talking about in the conversation?” You go, Oh, we were talking about this and this and this. I go, okay. Now comes the good question. What was on the road? And that five minutes you go.

I don’t know. I wasn’t looking well then who the hell was driving? And I go, subconscious is autopilot. Mm, what does that mean? Any function needed when the conscious, not paying attention, a function that we’ve learned, uh, we’ll automate basically play it’s a program. It’s a subconscious program and will just play that program.

And I go, so why was that relevant? And I go back and I say, okay, let’s go back. We got programmed. Yeah? Did the programs come from us? Nope. They came from watching others, mother, father, family, et cetera. And I go, okay. Did they answer your wishes and desires? Probably not. So I say, why is it relevant then?

How are you going to express your wishes and desires? When your programs don’t offer that you go, what? I’m going to stay conscious. I’m not going to think that’s being mindful. Okay. And that’s really cool, but it’s not likely to happen. Our world is so busy that thinking is unavoidable and science has recognized 95% of the day.

We are thinking. I go. So what’s the significance? 95% of the day, your life has been controlled by programs that didn’t come from you. I go, why is it relevant? Because then your life you’re manifesting isn’t from conscious creative wishes and desires. It’s from historical programming. I go, so why is that relevant?

Well, if those programs don’t support your life, then your life doesn’t really support your wishes and desires. But, now here comes the but, when we have no awareness of this, we started in the morning, like today, I’m gonna find my relationship today. I’m going to get healthy today. I’m going to do all these positive things and you go out and then you come home in the evening.

It’s like, it didn’t happen. Just didn’t happen today. And then I say, well, why not? And you go: it’s not me, because remember today I started with the wishes and desires. So the world, the universe is not supporting me. And I go, Oh God, let’s fix that right now. And I go, why? 

First important point, and then we’ll discuss it, and that is this: quantum physics is the most valid science on the planet. There is no science has been tested or affirm to be truer than quantum physics. So, uh, if you have the question of science, don’t question quantum physics yet, because it’s pretty damn accurate. And I go, so what’s relevant. 

First principle of quantum physics: consciousness is creating your life experiences.

And then all of a sudden I say that and they go, Oh yeah, that sounds great. But guess what? My consciousness wants to be successful. And I go, when you were using your conscious mind, but the moment you were thinking, which is 95% of the day, your program is run by your subconscious. It’s not run by you. But can you see your own behavior?

And I go, no. Why not? I said, where’s your attention when your subconscious is playing some, you know, autopilot, where’s your attention? Inside! So that means you didn’t see outside? No. So then you didn’t see the behavior that you were expressing while you were thinking? No. I can tell you the behavior you we’re expressing is whatever the program you got, you were playing a program.

Okay. So the relevance about this is we perceive we are victims. Why? I wanted to be successful. It didn’t happen. The universe is not helping me. And I go, let me give a story, Laura, which you probably heard a hundred times, but maybe some people haven’t because I’ve been using it for 30 years because it’s the best and most profound story for what we’re talking about.

Point. You have a friend, you know, your friend’s behavior very, very well. And you happen to know your friend’s parent. And one day you see your friend has the same behavior as their parent, which really excites you. You’re really wanting to tell him: Hey Bill, you’re just like your dad! And I said back away from Bill. The moment you say that Bill is going to go “How could you compare me to my dad! I’m nothing like my dad!”  and most everybody laughs because they’ve had that experience.

I go. Most profound story point. Everybody else can see that Bill behaves like his dad who doesn’t see it? Bill. Where did he get the behavior? He downloaded that was a program. He observed his father, downloaded that behavior. Why is he playing it? Because he’s not paying attention. Therefore, when he, uh, behaving like his father, everyone else can see it.

That’s his outward behavior. Does Bill see it? No, because Bill is not paying attention. He’s not looking out the window and I go, Oh my God. And I say, why is it relevant? We are all Bill. Every one of us is doing this every day. 

Laura Dawn: Then Bruce, how do we put an end to the cycle? How do we, it seems like right now, you know, this, this notion is actually in this term, intergenerational trauma is actually in the mainstream right now that there’s trauma perpetuating more trauma.

So, you know, I’ve heard you talk about us being on the brink of the sixth mass extinction. So what, what needs to change? And especially speaking to, you know, the leaders and the change-makers of our time, who are holding a vision for a more harmonious chapter of human history, what should we really be paying attention to?

Like, what is the most important piece of knowledge that we can acquire to end this cycle and steer humanity ship in a better direction? 

Bruce Lipton: Oh, the first thing right away is this, your programs are limiting, they’re invisible to you. And I said, well, do you know what your programs are? That’s the first limit right there.

It’s like a, how do I know what the program is or why you were being programmed even before you were born in the last trimester pregnancy? You were (inaudible) a whole year from zero to one, your whole year from one to two, a whole year from two to three. Up to seven. Okay. Okay. What, what program did you get when you were zero?

I don’t know, I wasn’t there because consciousness didn’t even come in. Okay. What program do you get when you were one? I don’t know. I wasn’t there to not really. I don’t know about three. You might say, Oh, I can remember some things. Okay. But guess what? You’ve already had three years of, of programming and you were not there.

So if I asked you what your programs are, you’re going to say, I have no idea. I wasn’t there. Then I’m going to give you the truth. As we just said, 95% of your life is coming from the programs. So I say, why is a row? And I say, your life is a printout of your programs. Point, whatever you like that comes into your life.

It comes into your life because you have a program to support it. But, and this is the one that’s most critical, all those things that you want and desire, but you find you have to work hard and you have to sweat over and you have to put a lot of I’m working real hard, man. I’m putting in a lot. I’m putting my work in here.

I’m making it happen. Why you’re working so hard. And the answer is this. It’s not that the universe won’t give it to you. Your own program will not acknowledge it. So when you look at your life and you identify where your struggles are coming from, you have just realized programming that you had that like, bill, you didn’t say.

You only know the consequences of it. So the idea is this, you want to change your life. First. You have to look at your own program. There’s an old hippie saying. Before you go out and change the world, take care of your own backyard. Well, the idea is we want to change the world, but if my life programs are not supporting me, how the heck am I going to change the world?

Laura Dawn: Right. And this is actually interesting, Bruce, because the latest research in neuroscience is starting to show that the way that we perceive reality is actually like a projection, like we’re predictive coding machines, and that what we have in our mind, we essentially see what we believe. And I was actually able to ask a psychedelic neuroscientist, this question. And he was like, yeah, that’s, that’s fairly accurate. And so. You know, and, and I do, actually, I have had these, my own experiences going into altered states of consciousness with the aid of psychedelics and plant medicines and have been able to actually directly see my root programs. And so I think the beneficial piece here for people, and I’d also love to get into quantum field theory deeper…But that the mind affects our biology. And so how does, how does the mind affect our biology? Why is that so crucial for us to know? And, and how can we really bring that into our lives? Like really fundamentally integrate it into our lives for the better? 

Bruce Lipton: Well, the first thing we have to recognize is this, we have been missed programmed with the belief that is so invalid and so compromising.

It’s the belief that we call genetic control. It was what I was teaching medical students back years ago, it was called genetic determinism. The belief that genes control the characters of your life, your physical characters, your emotional, your behavioral characteristics. Very interestingly, uh, the public is still, you know, um, given this belief.

Well, I said, the scientists they’ve changed the belief, but that change has not come to the public. And I said, well, what’s the new change? And the new changes switching from genetics to epigenetics, they go, well, it sounds like the same damn thing!? I go I, if I say character X is under genetic control. That’s the belief statement then X there’s a gene to manifest X. 

Okay. Uh, and then, so therefore I say, well, did I pick the genes? No. If I don’t like the characters I’m expressing, can I change them? No. Uh, and then you’re told a false statement, big one, that genes turn on and off by themselves. Well, that automatically says, Oh my God, I’m a victim of my heredity. Cancer running in my family, I’m going to get it. Cardiovascular disease? I’m going to get it. Why? I got it all these gene. 

So that was the old belief of victimization. The new science is called epigenetic control. I go: what’s the difference? I say epi means above like skin is called what? Epi dermis. I said, what does it mean? below the layer of skin?

There’s a layer called dermis and above it is the skin epidermis. What does epi mean? Profound. Above. So I say this character I’m expressing is, is under epi genetic control. I go, what the heck does that mean control above the genes? Oh, what do you mean? The belief that genes turn on and off by themselves is a totally false statement.

No gene controls its own behavior. Genes are blueprints. You go into an architect’s office and she’s working on a blueprint. You’ll lean over her shoulder and you say, is your blueprint on or off? And she looking at you and go, what are you crazy? It’s a blueprint. There’s a lot of enough. I got precisely a gene is a blueprint.

No, on and off. It’s either red or it’s not red, but the reader is not the blueprint. The reader is the mind I go. So, Oh, you mean with mind I can change my genetic makeup? You can change your genetic expression. You don’t change your genes, you change your genetic expression. And that means I could come with totally healthy genes, but my mind can cause any disease. I can create cancer and all this stuff, I can create heart disease.

I can die just because I believe I’m going to die. And the fact, this is mind over genes while I’m saying epigenetics is mind over genes. I say, what’s the difference? 

Genetics. I’m a victim

Epigenetics. I’m a master. 

Why? I can change my mind. I couldn’t change my consciousness. And if that’s what’s controlling my genes and I control my biology and all of a sudden, no, you’re not a victim, you’re a master.

But if your programs in the beginning, take away your power. And then you run those programs and science reveals 95% of the day. Then your life is in a state of disempowerment, as long as you’re not staying in their conscious mind. And to give an example of that, um, every day your life could be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then you meet someone. You have a love experience and the next day, 24 hours later, Oh God, life is so beautiful. I’m so in love. Uh, everything is so beautiful and I go, your life sucked every day. And then 24 hours later, you got heaven on earth. And what the hell happened? Science has recognized this as falling in love.

Keeps you in a mindful state. It keeps you from thinking when you fall in love with somebody, you keep your mind present. Why should you think they’re in front of your face? You waited for them. This is not the time to go inside your head. It’s time to stay out. And I go, Oh, so when you stay mindful, you’re not playing the program.

I go again. And what happens in 24 hours of not even playing the program, you went from blah-blah-blah to heaven on earth. And what was the point? Well, heaven on earth was always here. It was your damn program that you, that kept you from going there, but you realize the moment you said, stop playing the program, how you manifested this wonderful life experience.

Well, unfortunately, 99% of the people on this planet are operating from those restricted developmental programs manifesting the program. They didn’t put the program in. Uh, by th